I am proud that Clemson Universities in a league full of recognizably solid educational institutions. SEC envy is strong in my home state of South Carolina. Many Sandlappers have listened way too much to those idiots from the University of South Carolina talk about their league what how great it is.
I'd sure rather make the road trips we make than the ones SC makes. So the SEC envy among Clemson fans is a mystery to me.
Re: The conference envy is strong around here. Nov 24, , PM. There is nothing wrong with the ACC and certainly nothing wrong with Clemson.
You guys let the media control your emotions. Be glad that you support the Clemson Tigers. I think the point of the OP and certainly my point is that the ACC should be more intentional about being great at football. However I would not want to trade places with the SEC for all of the reasons you have mentioned. Conference Envy Nov 24, , PM. Conference affiliation does nothing to make the football good or bad. The SEC does not put a product on the field.
The ACC does not put a product on the field. Did you see the turnout at the Vandy game on Saturday night? The SEC did not make Bama good. The Big 10 did not make Ohio State good. The ACC did not make Clemson good. Nothing I could imagine would be more boring than watching Arkansas play Missouri or Tennessee play Vandy. No one but fans of those teams gives a rip about those games.
Is the SEC helping those guys be worth a crap? They will have done nothing to make it happen. The SEC love is strong around here. I never said that I have any envy for the SEC I was just stating some differences in the two conferences and their approach to football. How has the ACC helped Clemson? Do you think the ACC puts as much time and effort in supporting football as they do in basketball? I was just trying to articulate that with Swofford being the commissioner of the ACC and the ACC being so entrenched in the Tar Heel State that football will not be as important as basketball.
The ACC is a great conference. Dominant accross the board in all sports. I'm proud of our conference for many reasons. Sports being one of them. Don't be sheep and follow the narrative that's been laid out for you. No Envy. You are correct. Since we are talking ancient history add Pitt and BC. In fact, Pitt has the claim of most National Titles on the east coast over Miami. They claim 9. Or very nearly the time since Georgia last won one. Tennessee making the playoff in that time frame would be surprising because they have a ways to go to build the talent back up and Pruitt still has to prove he can be a high level coach, but I'm not sure any of the others would really surprise me.
VT did make the BCS title game back in but they did under very different circumstances legendary coach, generational talent at QB, peak of the program's history, etc. I do not think of VT as a program capable of competing for a title right now.
Anyone else would be an extreme long shot. I don't care what GT did 30 years ago or Pitt did years ago, neither of those programs are anywhere close to competing for a playoff spot. They were the year prior and the year after. Right now i just don't consider GT as a program capable of winning a title.
They don't recruit anywhere near well enough. They are probably even below a program like UNC. Until GT shows that they can recruit with the big boys that raid Atlanta they will be a couple of notches below about half of the SEC.
Re: There are a couple of undeniable advantages that Aug 14, , PM. All the sec schools are larger student populations than acc schools I think. Heck Nc has Nc stat, duke, wake and unc within a few miles of each other So, if you have more students, you should have bigger stadiums even if they are terrible at some sports, like usc football. Good work! Listen, I understand that the SEC is overrated.
But, Syracuse is our 2nd best team. And Virginia is probably our 3rd best team. Until Miami and Florida State are back, this conversation is dead. Recruiting is killing our conference.
The SEC is the better conference. Until those other teams recruit better, that will always be the case. The reality is Aug 14, , PM. Without elite coaching, elite talent is little more than potential. Seems the "over-hyped" part is not being retained when anything SEC comes up! SEC teams don't -walk on water -go unbeaten in bowl season -impress me top to bottom -win head to head O.
But there are several important dynamics at play here. A standard one is whether commissioner Bob Bowlsby and his Big 12 presidents and athletic directors will get aligned on the topic and targets. A more subtle one is how many of those leaders will be reluctant to fully embrace the process because some might still prefer to keep their own options open over the next few years.
On Tuesday, the ACC, Big Ten and Pac did just that, announcing that they intend to work together on a variety of issues, from College Football Playoff expansion to NCAA governance, and that they will form a nonconference scheduling alliance as soon as their respective contracts permit them to do so.
The mutual agreement is not based on specific scheduling details or formatting. In a time of great instability and mistrust in college sports, they decided to take a leap of faith and hope that it pays off down the line. So much feel-good bluster over a nonbinding deal to schedule a few nonconference games in an unspecified number of years from now?
Greg Sankey just added Texas and Oklahoma to his inventory, and other commissioners are practicing trust falls. As counterpunches go, this was less of a light tap and more like a complete whiff. We just prefer our homes to feel more rustic. The last time multiple power conferences announced an alliance, the deal was scrapped within seven months.
How could you forget? Instead, the entire thing fell apart by July of , with the Pac expressing reservations because of scheduling issues. Somewhere Tuesday, the SEC was laughing. Among the primary topics discussed Tuesday by the Big Ten, ACC and Pac commissioners were governance and College Football Playoff expansion, but their vision for shared nonconference football scheduling presents the most intriguing and complicated model whenever — or if — it takes place. There are several differences among the leagues that need massaging before they start to sync matchups into their schedules.
Several teams in each league have longstanding rivalries with teams in non-alliance conferences. Most football programs have major-conference matchups scheduled well into the future and some are prominent. Greg Sankey is a smart man. Not only a smart man but a strong leader and dealmaker, and on the right side of history when it came to the debate over playing a college football season amid the pandemic. The SEC and its commissioner were leaders not only in arguing a season could be played, but in safely doing so, and then was a leader on a team College Football Playoff proposal that was both sensible and fun.
But when it came to expansion, Sankey may have misstepped. He and the SEC may not have thought this all the way through. Sankey and the SEC should have been able to see the spite coming. Among the primary topics include governance and College Football Playoff expansion, but their vision for shared nonconference football scheduling presents the most intriguing and complicated model whenever — or if — it takes place.
ET, multiple people with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic. The three leagues plan to work together on multiple fronts, from College Football Playoff expansion to NCAA governance issues and annual football scheduling. Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded, that they want to continue to prioritize broad-based sports offerings and that the academic profile of their institutions matters — as does graduating athletes.
The scheduling piece will likely be the most complicated, considering how many programs are locked into future game contracts — and that the Big Ten and Pac both currently require that members play nine conference games apiece. The appeal of cross-country and cross-conference scheduling is particularly enticing for the Pac, which would then be able to play games in the Central and Eastern time zones, more major markets and fertile recruiting regions.
One scheduling option could be that the Big Ten would drop from nine conference games to eight and each school would play one game with each of the Pac and the ACC annually, sources say. Some minor upgrades, like new turf for the indoor practice facility, have already been implemented. The stakes got higher. But others, like N. State, Boston College and Pitt, could surprise. Clemson has been a lock for the playoffs the last six years, grabbing the first or second seed all but one time.
But some believe the Tigers have no chance of playing their way back into the playoff picture after a dreadful offensive performance in their loss to Georgia. They may be right. Clemson has no opportunity to atone for this loss and prove it can beat an elite team.
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